KGhaleon Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 21 minutes ago, FireEmblemFan said: I was thinking maybe you could put most of the forum to members only. Usually when something controversial happens, we get like 50 guests looking at the same topic. I've seen some forums do it before, but not sure if you can do it with the new IP boards and all. Their buddies with accounts would still screenshot everything and post them on twitter as usual, so it would only make it less convenient for them to spy on us. I totally support the idea but doubt the admins will agree to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBunghole Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 2 hours ago, FireEmblemFan said: I was thinking maybe you could put most of the forum to members only. Usually when something controversial happens, we get like 50 guests looking at the same topic. I've seen some forums do it before, but not sure if you can do it with the new IP boards and all. Why do this, though? Maybe some people want to see what the community looks like so they can decide whether to join. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlucardViDracul Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 lol I remember on the forums I use to run I had a rule where u could only make a new thread if u had over ten posts. It worked out really well till abunch of Asians hacked the site and used it as their advertisement area. Had to close it down sadly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooper Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 I don't really like that system, its rather annoying to make a new user post ten times just to make a thread and ask a question. No need to punish the average possible new member because of a troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 One rule I'd like to start enforcing: if you're banned, you're banned. You can't come back with a new account, period. I've started enforcing this a bit by going through IP logs and banning new/sock accounts, but now they've started using proxies. Of course they're so stupid, they all use the same proxy service, so I can STILL tell if it's the same people or not. Ultimately these people will find a way to seep through the cracks regardless, but I'm taking a far more active role when I see people stirring up shit on the forums now. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooper Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) 21 hours ago, Phil said: One rule I'd like to start enforcing: if you're banned, you're banned. You can't come back with a new account, period. I've started enforcing this a bit by going through IP logs and banning new/sock accounts, but now they've started using proxies. Of course they're so stupid, they all use the same proxy service, so I can STILL tell if it's the same people or not. Ultimately these people will find a way to seep through the cracks regardless, but I'm taking a far more active role when I see people stirring up shit on the forums now. Why would you post this? Now the stupid ones will know to change their proxy service. Edited January 5, 2016 by cooper 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 13 hours ago, cooper said: Why would you post this? Now the stupid ones will know to change there proxy service. It doesn't matter. No normal users of the internet would use a proxy service to post on a bulletin board/forum. So if I see a proxy being used, I'll know it's them regardless. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraditionalGames Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 On 2016-01-04 at 0:39 AM, Phil said: One rule I'd like to start enforcing: if you're banned, you're banned. You can't come back with a new account, period. I've started enforcing this a bit by going through IP logs and banning new/sock accounts, but now they've started using proxies. Of course they're so stupid, they all use the same proxy service, so I can STILL tell if it's the same people or not. Ultimately these people will find a way to seep through the cracks regardless, but I'm taking a far more active role when I see people stirring up shit on the forums now. Can there at least be an option to appeal a ban after a while? Everyone deserves a second chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Onyx Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 3 hours ago, TraditionalGames said: Can there at least be an option to appeal a ban after a while? Everyone deserves a second chance. [email protected] or [email protected] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 Hmm, I am in Canada and I sometime use a U.S proxy to access the WWE Network and U.S contents from Netflix, am I going to get ban if I happened to be posting on the forum while using the proxy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Onyx Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, Star said: Hmm, I am in Canada and I sometime use a U.S proxy to access the WWE Network and U.S contents from Netflix, am I going to get ban if I happened to be posting on the forum while using the proxy? Only if the said proxy has been used maliciously in the past. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey_J_Jr Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) Know it's been asked before but new posters are coming here and shitting all over DSP after being banned and it's about time this stops. A few minutes is all they need to start another drama. At least make new posters post three times before they can start topics. Edited January 11, 2016 by Davey_J_Jr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardcoreparkour Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 14 hours ago, Davey_J_Jr said: Know it's been asked before but new posters are coming here and shitting all over DSP after being banned and it's about time this stops. A few minutes is all they need to start another drama. At least make new posters post three times before they can start topics. Have to agree with this! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraditionalGames Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 On 2016-01-05 at 11:46 AM, The Mighty Onyx said: Only if the said proxy has been used maliciously in the past. Wait. He'll get banned for using a proxy just because others have used it regardless if he did anything wrong? That's kind of fucked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Onyx Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 18 hours ago, TraditionalGames said: Wait. He'll get banned for using a proxy just because others have used it regardless if he did anything wrong? That's kind of fucked up. Don't use a proxy then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraditionalGames Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 Wow. What great moderation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey_J_Jr Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 5 hours ago, The Mighty Onyx said: Don't use a proxy then. Agree, those who use proxies are people who have something to hide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraditionalGames Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 50 minutes ago, Davey_J_Jr said: Agree, those who use proxies are people who have something to hide. What if you used a proxy tomorrow? You would be banned on the spot even though A) You did nothing wrong B) Have been a loyal fan for years. All because they assume you're a detractor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey_J_Jr Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 13 minutes ago, TraditionalGames said: What if you used a proxy tomorrow? You would be banned on the spot even though A) You did nothing wrong B) Have been a loyal fan for years. All because they assume you're a detractor. Fans get banned too you know. I've got nothing to hide so don't see what the issue is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPM94 Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Davey_J_Jr said: Fans get banned too you know. I've got nothing to hide so don't see what the issue is. I've got nothing to hide either so I'll come 100% clean with this post. I am a former detractor of Phil's and I've been banned from these forums several times, mostly for either vague or unexplained reasons. This is a throwaway account on a throwaway email so I fully expect to get banned again. That being said, I'd like to give my thoughts on the flaws in moderation that I've seen in the times I've used these forums. I won't call anyone in particular out and I'll do my best not to get heated. I'd appreciate it if this post is at least taken into consideration and not just deleted without being read, but I don't expect much. First off I'll make it clear that I can only speak from my experience and what I've seen other people talk about so I might be wrong on some things. Let's get started then. The Warning System The warning system is a fantastic moderation tool if used properly. But in my experience warnings aren't often given, just immediate bans. As far I know people could get simple warnings more often than bans, but everyone I've seen talk about been banned here wasn't given a warning first. There was even a thread on this forum made regarding this. It's likely gone now though as the matter was resolved. My point is that, in my experience, it's not 100% clear what is and isn't a bannable offense. Along with that in the majority of my bans there was no note from the mod who banned explaining what I did wrong. The warning system should be used more for actual moderation and less for just banning people. The Rules Overall the rules on this forum are fine, but like I said it's not really clear what will get you banned. And then there's this: "Disclaimer This site is owned by Phil Burnell, a.k.a. DarksydePhil, and operated by himself and his moderation staff. It is an integral part of his business and as such the running and operation of the board is at his discretion. Sometimes judgement calls must be made. These rules are here to ensure the forum remains a fun and friendly place for its members, but they are not the be-all and end-all of ensuring this. DarksydePhil and his moderation staff reserve the right to amend the rules at any point and reprimand members who act in an uncivilized manner not otherwise stated in the list above. The bottom line is if you are making this site an unpleasant experience for others, you will be dealt with appropriately." I take this disclaimer as essentially saying the rules don't really matter. You can be banned for whatever a moderator deems a bannable offense. This leads to the vague reasons for being banned I mentioned earlier such as "being negative". If you're going to have a disclaimer like this and you dole out moderation/bans for things that aren't in the rules you need to make very clear why said person/persons were moderated. In my opinion "being negative" is too vague for a ban but giving someone a warning for that is fine. Don't be an asshole who's negative about everything makes sense. Being banned for criticizing Phil with "being negative" as the reason? I don't agree with that, but there's nothing I can do about it. Anyway, my point is that I think the rules should be reworked so as to make it clear what will get you banned and what will just get you a warning. For example, the Proxy thing. if you really want that to be a bannable offense add it to the rules and mass PM every user so they're aware of the addition. And make more well known that you can appeal a ban. Users shouldn't have to ask how you appeal a ban, it should be publicly known. Just add that you can email the moderation team at the bottom of the rules post if you're confused about any of the rules or if you want to appeal your ban. And about the proxy thing, what about users from other countries where the internet is more regulated? They might use a proxy just to watch YouTube videos that are blocked in their country, and chances are they forget they're using a proxy. Those users would then come here and likely be banned and all the report in the email the get will say is a vague "abusive behavior". Also, I have to say agree with setting a minimum amount of posts before someone can start new threads. I think somewhere between 5 and 10 posts should be good. Oh! And one final thing. In my opinion no one should be above the rules regardless of who they are. Even Phil and Onyx should, at the very least, feel obliged to follow the rules. If someone can be above the rules it creates a divide in the community and can cause resentment towards those who don't have to follow the rules. That's about all I can think of. If you actually read this then thank you for your time. If I was just immediately banned then so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Onyx Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 14 minutes ago, RPM94 said: ...As far I know people could get simple warnings more often than bans, but everyone I've seen talk about been banned here wasn't given a warning first... You pretty much lost me there since what you're saying is absurd. But I decided to go on and see what your point is, then I arrived here: 16 minutes ago, RPM94 said: ...Even Phil and Onyx should, at the very least, feel obliged to follow the rules... Could you actually come with an example showing any of us, my lead moderators team or any moderator (that is still a moderator) breaking the rules? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraditionalGames Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Davey_J_Jr said: Fans get banned too you know. I've got nothing to hide so don't see what the issue is. That's not my point and you didn't answer my question. IF you decided to use a proxy for whatever reason and it just happens to be one used in the past would it be fair for you to be banned on the grounds of being an alt account? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPM94 Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) 12 minutes ago, The Mighty Onyx said: You pretty much lost me there since what you're saying is absurd. But I decided to go on and see what your point is, then I arrived here: Could you actually come with an example showing any of us, my lead moderators team or any moderator (that is still a moderator) breaking the rules? I don't believe I ever claimed any moderators broke the rules. My point was that Phil has made it very clear that he is above the rules and I assumed the same applied to you since Phil needs you to run this site for him. Again, everything was from my own experience. Though I can say Phil has broken the double-posting rule on more than one occasion, but that's whatever really. There's also the rumors that patrons are given more leeway when it comes to the rules, but I dunno how true that is. I can't say I've seen anything that proves it. Other than awhile back a former mod claiming to have banned KGhaleon, a patron, only for him to be immediately unbanned because he was "needed for patron voting". But again, I don't know how true that is. I can't prove it. 10 minutes ago, TraditionalGames said: That's not my point and you didn't answer my question. IF you decided to use a proxy for whatever reason and it just happens to be one used in the past would it be fair for you to be banned on the grounds of being an alt account? I agree with this. There are any number of reasons someone would use a proxy. Like I said earlier, they could be from a country where the internet is more heavily regulated. They could be using some form a free public wifi and be using a proxy to protect themselves from hackers. They be someone at work using a proxy to get around blocks that the office internet has. Edited January 13, 2016 by RPM94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13hr Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 About the proxy thing Honestly those are just excuses No one from china is gonna visit this forum. What other country restricts internet access? If you use aproxy on a simple forum like this, the chances you are up to no good are high. Or super paranoid, always think the gov is out to get him and use a proxy for everything. So yeah, proxy user? Problem user. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPM94 Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) 10 minutes ago, 13hr said: About the proxy thing Honestly those are just excuses No one from china is gonna visit this forum. What other country restricts internet access? If you use aproxy on a simple forum like this, the chances you are up to no good are high. Or super paranoid, always think the gov is out to get him and use a proxy for everything. So yeah, proxy user? Problem user. My point was not that this site would be blocked. I know Germany blocks certain YouTube videos, and not too long ago someone tweeted Phil showing him that one of his videos was blocked in their country. Those people would use a proxy to watch youtube videos. And then get banned from here the one time they forgot to turn the proxy off. If you want to make using a proxy against the rules, fine. But don't make it an instant ban because you don't actually know why that user is using a proxy. That rule, like all moderation aside from moderating straight up trolling or cyberbullying, should be a three strikes thing. The first time you're caught using a proxy you get a warning and are asked not use it on this site. The second time you get a temp ban, maybe 24 hours or so. The third time you're permanently banned because at that point you're clearly not listening to the mods. Edited January 13, 2016 by RPM94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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