Phil and fighting games

[JidozeKichimonimi1]

I know he likes to bring up his street fighter competitive history, but was that really his peak? Whenever I see him play fighters now he tries the same thing over and over without changing strategies, getting angry when they don't work. Why not try new things? If someone keeps blocking low use a throw or overhead.

[JidozeKichimonimi1]

Maybe I should pick up that street fighter collection he always plays. I'm sure with an hour of practice I could give him a run for his money.

[Guest]

When Phil complains about these things, what I remember is that he'll blame the online aspect of it, (I.e: dropped inputs, abuse connection/things you'd supposedly not be able to do offline). And for this, you won't convince him otherwise unless you play him in real life, which is not happening.

Maybe that's why he tries the same things, in his mind he's playing the game legit or adequately & trying things that would work offline. This is my impression.

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If you decide to do it, tell us because I'll tune in and watch the results.

[musicboy]

Ya can't just blame lag, or bad internet connection, for moves being dropped etc, or attacks coming out delayed. Those silly programmers at capcom, snk, and other fighting game companies, literally programmed some moves like for eg. Hadokens, to drop or come out delayed, after you do it a few times. Those problems were there from the start in the game, long before online play ever existed. So when you go online, it's both "capcoms deliberate troll programming," and "lag" combined together, that causes those problems that dsp and others experience. And to be realistic, roll back netcode, is not going to solve that problem.

[JidozeKichimonimi1]

Though I always giggle when phil calls himself a former pro player yet can't handle scrubs online.

[JidozeKichimonimi1]

Lots of people who went to arcades kept their skill up.

Phil's issue is that he has a singular gameplan and falls to pieces when he can't execute it. Randoms won't hold back.

I'd love to give him advice on stream but he's ignored or dismissed it before. Labbing in training mode would help him so much.

[musicboy]

The interesting thing is, there are alot of high level players who are not associated with Evo, who actually prefer fighting people offline than online. Virtua Fighter players are a good example of this. Any lag in Virtua Fighter is bad, because the game is more precise than other fighting games, which is why offline 1 to 1 matches in Virtua Fighter, are preferred over online matches.

Edited January 18, 2022 by musicboy

[JidozeKichimonimi1]

I wonder why he hates that gojitenks fella so much. From what I can tell he's just a regular sf collection player who usually beats phil. Phil has the same gameplan going in so it should be pretty easily to play around him.

[Guest]

@JidozeKichimonimi1

Did you decide to practice your SF skills and play with Phil? You could be the new Gojitenks.

[giovanny4312]

DSP was definitely better back in the day but I also think people today are generally better. DSP was mainly active during pre-smartphones, pre-Youtube pre-online play.  The only way people could play was playing against people locally against limited amount of people. Now people can practice against endless amount of people around the world. Also they can now study the game on youtube to see how top-level players play.

[JidozeKichimonimi1]

I came across a comment that said Phil was asked why he never practices in fighting games and his response was "I don't need to train, I'm already pro level". 

Guess we don't see much of that level nowadays.

[JidozeKichimonimi1]

Oof, saw his king of fighters gameplay. He just uses the same excuses for over a decade. Lag pattern, unearned etc.

[musicboy]

I hope he plays some more KOF 15. That game is cool. If he dropped it, then that sucks.

[NityPost]

Nah, man, you got it all wrong.

Again.

DSP actually IS the best fighting game player ever because he found a hyper-specific esoteric playing style that takes the most skill to comprehend and win in. By honing in on this style, he reached a point where if others beat him, it's because they used weaker tactics and would not be able to beat him had they stepped into his domain of advanced method (which includes playing without the crutch of online errors that can derail gameplay and, by extension, Phil's streams). So he still played better than them. And if he beats them? Well, he just beat them because he's better.

If everyone would just get on Phil's higher level, he would beat them no matter what on the terrestrial plane just like he already beats them on the celestial plane by having the best playing style that takes the most skill to play. But because he persists in dwelling on a higher universal level than others and thereby beating other players from the perspective of universal right, he essentially appears to lose (or what's probably more accurate, allow others to "win" in the meantime). As such, Phil is magnanimously living with the "defeats" (*spit*) he receives in the chthonic realm in a form of NOBLE SACRIFICE.

So you see, by "beating" (*eyeroll*) Phil, Phil's enemies only continue to lose more than if they got on his level enough for him to beat them in matches all the time, which he would always, because his playing style is the best. But they lose either way. It's just that they paradoxically lose more by losing less. Get it?

To those of us with eyes to see, Phil is doing a lot of things really fast that you CAN'T see in between the frames that you CAN see. He's like a ninja. It's just that the developers haven't yet engineered a game that is best able to accommodate his extreme powers.

[Guest]

Just watch someone thinking that you're taking that post seriously.

[JidozeKichimonimi1]

He dropped KOF. In fact, other than the weekly SF collection he's dropped every single fighting game in the past 10 or so years that he's played. He comes back for some extra dlc content, but once he gets out of elo hell where players actually start being good and he can't win he quits.

[musicboy]

I wonder if he accidently encountered one of his old rivals, like Justin Wong in KOF 15? I know Justin Wong and Maximillian Dood, play it quite alot when they stream.

[Recom]

On 3/28/2022 at 10:11 PM, musicboy said:

I wonder if he accidently encountered one of his old rivals, like Justin Wong in KOF 15? I know Justin Wong and Maximillian Dood, play it quite alot when they stream.

Actually he ran into LIJoe, an Evo 2016 Top 8 finalist for SFV. Joe was also streaming when they ran into each other so someone grabbed both streams and overlayed them together:

https://www.reddit.com/r/kof/comments/szkoh7/dsp_getting_destroyed_by_lijoe/

Edited March 31, 2022 by Recom

[musicboy]

On 3/31/2022 at 5:57 PM, Recom said:

Actually he ran into LIJoe, an Evo 2016 Top 8 finalist for SFV. Joe was also streaming when they ran into each other so someone grabbed both streams and overlayed them together:

https://www.reddit.com/r/kof/comments/szkoh7/dsp_getting_destroyed_by_lijoe/

Wow! Despite the lag on his end, those matches were nice.

I hope that loss, doesn't deter him from playing KOF 15 again, in the near future.

Edited April 10, 2022 by musicboy

[Recom]

On 4/9/2022 at 10:38 PM, musicboy said:

Wow! Despite the lag on his end, those matches were nice.

I hope that loss, doesn't deter him from playing KOF 15 again, in the near future.

KOFXV has rollback netcode; DSP wasn't getting any lag lmao. With how Rollback netcode works, if there is lag, the game will "rollback" however many frames it needs to keep the players synced up.  The number of frames are displayed along with the PING throughout the entire match. If the connection is laggy you'd see it rolling back on screen. He likes to blame lag when he's getting his ass beat, but that excuse doesn't work in games with Rollback. Also I've played KOFXV matches from Seattle to New York on both PS4 and PC with no issues.

The lag he is probably actually experiencing is input lag from the console and the TV he's playing on. The PS5 version of KOFXV has about 5 frames of input delay by itself and who knows how laggy his big TV is.

I don't think you'll ever see Phil touch KOF again lmao, sorry. He doesn't understand how KoF works at all.

[SebastianPhoton]

On 3/29/2022 at 6:11 AM, musicboy said:

I wonder if he accidently encountered one of his old rivals, like Justin Wong in KOF 15? I know Justin Wong and Maximillian Dood, play it quite alot when they stream.

i know he ran into Jason Wilson a few times, one of the OGs he beat at evo 2005

Wilson was pretty smart, getting Phil to switch off of DJ before going Honda (who loses badly to DJ)

 

[musicboy]

@SebastianPhoton

Dude, I remember that fight. It was fun to watch him fight against another SF pro. The one thing that sucked in those 3 matches, is that the control was giving Dsp alot of problems. And even a few other youtubers complained, that controller strangely has a ridiculous tendency, to drop or ignore moves. 

Also, I really miss seeing Dsp play Ultra Street Fighter 2. That game is so fresh. It was always fun watching him play against those opponents online, and then some pro gamer like Jason, mysteriously shows up and challenges him, like in that vid.

Edited June 16, 2022 by musicboy

[JidozeKichimonimi1]

Capcom fighting collection is fun as hell, but phil doesn't like it because he isn't doing as well.

It's an unfortunate pattern where he complains about a fighting game after the first few sessions because he refuses to adjust his strategy and adapt to the game mechanics. Jump attack and sweep is all he does and if people catch on he says they're cheating or lagging.

[musicboy]

It sucks that he dropped Virtua Fighter 5 Ultimate Showdown and KOF15 though. I enjoyed watcing him play those two games. I noticed that a few people in his live stream chat, asked him to play those two games again.

But yeah, I enjoy watching him play that Capcom Collection. It kinda sucks, that he hardly gets matches on Xbox though.

Edited July 19, 2022 by musicboy