KGhaleon Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 This topic exists for any and all discussions about the Podcast Phil had earlier this morning, just so we don't have people creating a dozen threads about it in the near future. Be sure to read and follow the forum rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VertigoTeaparty Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 (edited) Finally had a chance to finish it. Hell of an interview First, I must give props to Phil for doing the interview. He could have easily ignored it or came up with excuses to cancel but didn't. He also didn't bail when it became obvious they weren't going to give him a free pass and even agreed to a part 2. I legitimately respect that. I also give props to the Side Scrollers. I assumed they'd just throw him softball questions or let him slide when his answers didn't make sense. That obviously didn't happen. However, they were very fair. I've got a ton I could comment on specifically but since almost no one will read it, I'll hit the highlights Overall, it was interesting to see Phil interact with people who could push back on things he said that didn't make logical sense, were hypocritical, or stop him from going on long tangents that have nothing to do with the question posed. He repeatedly could not or would not answer questions directly; frequently he either couldn't "remember," or blamed others, claimed general ignorance (like the $5,000 business expense thing) or went on some long diatribe that had nothing to do with anything. Generally, if someone won't answer questions directly, this is often a sign of that person being dishonest or at least not wanting to address the topic. Few specific points: Not showing his phone to Craig was damning. He was willing to talk about things like the restraining order, his personal expenses, etc., but wouldn't send someone a screenshot or FaceTime w/just his USERNAME on WWE Champions? Sorry, this makes no sense whatsoever. Unless the username was itself damning, like his social security number (which would be incredibly dumb) or he thinks Craig would show this info (ruining his reputation,) there is absolutely no reason not to send it to him. Unless... He dodged the hell out of the $5,000/month question. Saying he has no clue what counts as a business expense after 15 years? If this is true, that's fucked. He doesn't need to know every detail, but even I know you can't write off your entire mortgage, electric bill, etc off. Even IF he doesn't know EXACTLY what counts, he knows damn good and well he is not now, nor has he ever, had an average of $5,000 in monthly business expenses. The whole "But the judge looked at this!" doesn't fly with me. Either that's not true, or he managed to squeeze in other things in there that shouldn't be but LOOKED like expenses. Like say.... microtransactions. I'm sorry, but he's foolish to not take up Keem's offer or at least listen to him regarding the podcast. This is a LIFE CHANGING opportunity and he's throwing it away because of some mean stuff he heard about Keem, ironically, from people who don't like him. I'm not going to sit here and say that Keem is a good dude; I agree that he's fairly morally questionable to put it mildly. However, this is not some kiddie fiddler or a murderer; he makes drama content. To out-of-hand turn him down when this podcast could literally CHANGE HE AND HIS WIFE'S LIVES FOR THE BETTER is nuts. It's like he's stuck in the ocean and people keep throwing him ropes, but he doesn't like the color so he just continues to tread. It's like someone called Phil and offered them the multi-million dollar lotto ticket, but he turns it down because he has a haircut appointment to get to. Last thing I'll note is that it was interesting to see how uncomfortable he would become whenever he was being hypocritical. Things like believing things about Keem and others based on 3rd hand info, yet being pissed when people do the same to him. You can see in his face and body language that this stuff would hit him on a logical level and the inner struggle he was having with that information. Ultimately, I hope that this podcast really starts Phil thinking more about his actions, how to improve himself and his content, and how important it is to adapt and be willing to change quickly if an opportunity presents itself. However, I don't think that's going to happen. Given Phil's mentality, and that he's surrounded by mostly yes-men, I imagine what's going to actually happen is he's going to go back to blaming the trolls, blaming the detractors, saying the interview and relationship with the Sidescrollers was ruined by trolls, that the Sidescrollers have been brainwashed by the detractors, etc. He'll go back to saying he "Put the facts out there" and that if you believe any of the "detractor" stuff you're an idiot, and so on. I'll not be surprised at all if he cancels Part 2. I genuinely hope this is a turning point for Phil but without someone in his life to challenge him, I don't think it's going to happen. EDIT: I want to add that Phil did admit to some shortcomings and mistakes, which is great. Everyone screws up. It's important to recognize your mistakes and learn and grow from them. Let's hope he does that more often. Edited March 17 by VertigoTeaparty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGhaleon Posted March 18 Author Report Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, VertigoTeaparty said: Not showing his phone to Craig was damning. The most damning thing is his phone number being tied to the account. I don't play mobile games, but is it even possible to setup someone else's phone number for two factor authentication? Usually you have to respond with a code or something sent to the phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheredoisignup Posted March 18 Report Share Posted March 18 (edited) 3 hours ago, VertigoTeaparty said: He'll go back to saying he "Put the facts out there" and that if you believe any of the "detractor" stuff you're an idiot, and so on. I'll not be surprised at all if he cancels Part 2. I genuinely hope this is a turning point for Phil but without someone in his life to challenge him, I don't think it's going to happen He's currently on stream essentially saying they were unfair to him, were actually biased and listened too much to detractors... Edited March 18 by wheredoisignup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGhaleon Posted March 18 Author Report Share Posted March 18 Apparently you can attach a phone number to your WWE Supercard profile even if it doesn't belong to you, this puts some doubt in my mind now. :edit: There was a follow up interview tonight with Keemstar. Pretty much went as expected, tons of shit talking and some detractors from Kiwifarms came on to ramble crap about Phil's cat. You can tell Craig regretted the interview, he ended it quickly and delisted the video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esi Posted March 18 Report Share Posted March 18 (edited) Just shows you how silly it is to deny the mobile game stuff. It’s obvious he plays…obvious the account is his and absolutely obvious he spent/spends big money on it. He could’ve admitted it and moved on. The bank leaks proved that people will still financially support him…even in the face of damning evidence. I don’t know what he thought he could accomplish by doing this…he looked bad…and gave his critics loads of content. His follow up React thing was just as bad…and it’s very obvious that he’ll talk about this stuff again….over and over. Also, no clue why’s he’s making overtures to RTU….he just keeps piling on the poor decision making. Edited March 18 by esi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibe Posted March 18 Report Share Posted March 18 (edited) Howdy folks, New poster here with some questions - just to add to this, I am not one of the detractors but (as of the past few days) have been looking into some of their content (specifically their "investigative" work, as opposed to the This Is How You Don't Play content). My view on Craig/Adam's response (which is the view that I also hold) is that Phils answers were suspect at best and incriminating at worst. I don't think the team were particularly harsh on him, but they certainly weren't accepting things that did not make sense. For example (and PLEASE refute this information if I am way off track here) there is a publicly filed bankruptcy document showing where Craig got the $5000/month expenses figure. How does Phil not know where this figure came from? The document that I've read (and again PLEASE let me know if I'm looking at false documentation) shows that Phil put his name against, under penalty of perjury, the information within being correct. This is just one example of things not adding up that I've come across, and I've only been looking into this for 10s of minutes. Phil has to remember that people like me are coming at this from having absolutely no idea who he was one minute, to listening to him tangle himself up by dodging questions and blaming others the next. Getting defensive when quizzed on this sort of stuff is absolutely not indicative of guilt, but where there's smoke... Edited March 18 by Shibe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefaniaGaming Posted March 18 Report Share Posted March 18 (edited) @Shibe That's not it, you're making the same mistake some people do. Please research before you go posting images, and I want to emphasize that this is not the place to talk about it, I as well as everyone is restricted from posting too much, you'll get banned in no time before you can post anything of substance. "Schedule J" are personal expenses, which are itemized, those are not the ones in question. O&NE or ordinary and necessary business expenses are not, which are found in another document, and I can't post because it'll get deleted. I respect that you're telling people to correct you if you're off tracks, but it's not hard to learn about this which has been explained in extreme detail in not dspgaming(dot)com. Edited March 18 by StefaniaGaming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibe Posted March 18 Report Share Posted March 18 (edited) 40 minutes ago, StefaniaGaming said: @Shibe That's not it, you're making the same mistake some people do. Please research before you go posting images, and I want to emphasize that this is not the place to talk about it, I as well as everyone is restricted from posting too much, you'll get banned in no time before you can post anything of substance. "Schedule J" are personal expenses, which are itemized, those are not the ones in question. O&NE or ordinary and necessary business expenses are not, which are found in another document, and I can't post because it'll get deleted. I respect that you're telling people to correct you if you're off tracks, but it's not hard to learn about this which has been explained in extreme detail in not dspgaming(dot)com. You've missed my point entirely - I'm not disputing what was IN the expenses section here, it's itemized and seems above board - I see no issue with the substance of it. What I'm saying that Phil got defensive when this was brought up and (seemingly) pretended that it was detractor nonsense when there is evidence that it's known to be true. Phil could easily have disproven this just by telling them to look at the document more closely (again, as per above everything is itemized in the monthly expense section) - but he didn't do that. He rambled on pretending that this figure was pulled out of thin air as if his word was good enough to disprove it. As per my first comment, using someone's defensive behaviour is suprious at best when it comes to proving guilt, but in this case Phil seems to be digging himself into a hole. Understand he might not want to talk about any of this old nonsense, but a) it was his view that nothing was off the table for this chat, b) from what I remember he didn't even attempting to clarify where they'd gotten the $5k figure from (not to mention this would have been pre-bankruptcy, so he could just have said it was no longer relevant so let's move on), and c) he surely could have guessed what the figure was for (unless there's a lot of $5k expenses that get brought up?) unless he's memory holed a massive life event from less than three years ago. Edited March 18 by Shibe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefaniaGaming Posted March 18 Report Share Posted March 18 9 minutes ago, Shibe said: You've missed my point entirely - I'm not disputing what was IN the expenses section here, it's itemized and seems above board - I see no issue with the substance of it. Yeah, I get what you're saying. What I'm saying is that you're posting about you knowing where Craig got the 5K expenses from, then post an image completely unrelated to it, as those are personal expenses, which no one cares about. That's the first step for allowing a retcon. There are a couple of 5K expenses, don't allow people to confuse the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuessWhat Posted March 18 Report Share Posted March 18 Wow, look at all these "new" people. Anyways, I think DSP needs to just embrace that the majority of the internet hates him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibe Posted March 18 Report Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, StefaniaGaming said: Yeah, I get what you're saying. What I'm saying is that you're posting about you knowing where Craig got the 5K expenses from, then post an image completely unrelated to it, as those are personal expenses, which no one cares about. That's the first step for allowing a retcon. There are a couple of 5K expenses, don't allow people to confuse the two. Cheers for clearing it up! Probably won't dig in too deep to this, but hey - any publicity is good publicity... I guess? x 11 minutes ago, GuessWhat said: Wow, look at all these "new" people. Anyways, I think DSP needs to just embrace that the majority of the internet hates him. New people sign up to DSPs forums after DSP gets some external exposure? Surely not! Sadly I think that's going to be the case here - the latest "drama" around DSP (at least from the sudden influx of DSP related videos I'm getting on Youtube from trying to figure out just wtf is going on) is that he's upset that SideScrollers read out superchats from his detractors (not sure how they'd know who all of Phils detractors are, if I'm being honest...). One way of looking at it is that maybe Phil really does have that many haters that there was nobody who showed up to defend him... Honestly though I don't see anything wrong with what Keemstar was saying when he (paraphrasing) said that the detractors/haters are fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepissmeister Posted March 18 Report Share Posted March 18 21 hours ago, KGhaleon said: The most damning thing is his phone number being tied to the account. I don't play mobile games, but is it even possible to setup someone else's phone number for two factor authentication? Usually you have to respond with a code or something sent to the phone. He was playing WWE Champions as early as 2014, where he stated to also play other gacha type games and spending money on it. Also, you need to have 2 step identification to create an account on LINE app to use WWE Champions (which he has said to not know, but as stated, he's lied so many times and now confirmed said lies that its impossible to believe him) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefaniaGaming Posted March 18 Report Share Posted March 18 13 minutes ago, thepissmeister said: He was playing WWE Champions as early as 2014, No he wasn't. He started around February 2017. 13 minutes ago, thepissmeister said: Also, you need to have 2 step identification to create an account on LINE app to use WWE Champions You don't need LINE to play Champions, it is optional, however it is well known that it's popular to use for that game. His phone number has been verified to be registered to LINE though, which requires 2FA, you got that correctly. Jesus, can people do some research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esi Posted March 18 Report Share Posted March 18 It was all a carefully laid trap now. Lol, this could’ve been good…now it’s just sad and pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGhaleon Posted March 19 Author Report Share Posted March 19 1 hour ago, StefaniaGaming said: You don't need LINE to play Champions, it is optional, however it is well known that it's popular to use for that game. His phone number has been verified to be registered to LINE though, which requires 2FA, you got that correctly. Lot of different ways to login to it, not all of them require 2FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepissmeister Posted March 19 Report Share Posted March 19 (edited) 5 hours ago, StefaniaGaming said: No he wasn't. He started around February 2017. You don't need LINE to play Champions, it is optional, however it is well known that it's popular to use for that game. His phone number has been verified to be registered to LINE though, which requires 2FA, you got that correctly. Jesus, can people do some research. My bad, here is a picture of his old account where he's discussing with another person about the game. See the date? Yeah. You've been duped sir. Also, he had an account in the past called DarkSydePhil that then 'misteriously' disappeared and was changed to another name, that went inactive and the other account immediately started afterwards with the exact same roster. Finally, Phil has claimed live on stream that he had no idea what the LINE app was, then immediately goes to say what the app is and that 'SOMEONE' registered his phone number in it to play WWE Champions with. See the problem? 2FA is required to use line app, which means that he literally used the app, set up 2fa so his account couldnt be stolen and so he could play the game. Problem is, he did activate it then and use it. There is zero chance that anyone other than him activated it. Even if it werent true, you're telling me that with all the damning evidence against it, there is a guy there playing WWE Champions and having the exact spending habits? 100% impossible. This is a MundaneMatt Killstream situation. Also, if it were a lie, he could have taken 2 seconds to show them that the account wasnt his or that it wasnt it. They even said lets do it by email, whatever, and prove it, but nope, he couldnt show it because its true, the account is his. Edited March 19 by thepissmeister Image embed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGhaleon Posted March 19 Author Report Share Posted March 19 You can embed a jpg or something without making someone click a suspicious "jfif" link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepissmeister Posted March 19 Report Share Posted March 19 Sorry, how? Insert media from url? Also, its not malicious, its from Twitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGhaleon Posted March 19 Author Report Share Posted March 19 23 minutes ago, thepissmeister said: Sorry, how? Insert media from url? Also, its not malicious, its from Twitter. Yes, you drag and drop a normal format into your post and it will be embedded. wtf is a jfif file Use a jpg, png or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefaniaGaming Posted March 19 Report Share Posted March 19 10 hours ago, thepissmeister said: My bad, here is a picture of his old account where he's discussing with another person about the game. My guy, you have no idea how great it is that you posted that image while telling me about it. Also, that image of Phil is when he was playing Supercard, not WWEChampions. You said he was playing Champions since 2014, no, he started playing Champions in February 2017, so get it right. What I'm saying about LINE is that you are not required to have it to play Champions, that's it, please read carefully. You seem to be having the wrong impression that I'm saying it isn't his account, that's not the case, but if you're going to post stuff, be accurate. 12 hours ago, KGhaleon said: Lot of different ways to login to it, not all of them require 2FA. I literally said that LINE isn't required to play Champions, meaning to log in. However the app is used in the game by a lot of people, and Phil's phone number is registered in LINE, which required passing 2FA. You're ignoring the mountain of evidence there is about Phil being the one behind the account, seriously, why are you doing this? He was given a chance to debunk it, not just this one time but until now, that's years worth of opportunities, yet he decided to let it pass. And with the most absurd of excuses. You know there's something in there, how suspicious it is, be honest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinHardcore Posted March 19 Report Share Posted March 19 (edited) So they had all that time to talk to Phil, one of the longest running Youtubers/streamers and they only addressed negativity? That tells you their motivations and that they're not worth dealing with. I don't know if it's just me, but the two guys don't seem the most confident chaps. I think they were trying to feel better by talking about the negative drama crap that's been following Dave for a while. Edited March 19 by MinHardcore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepissmeister Posted March 19 Report Share Posted March 19 35 minutes ago, MinHardcore said: So they had all that time to talk to Phil, one of the longest running Youtubers/streamers and they only addressed negativity? That tells you their motivations and that they're not worth dealing with. I don't know if it's just me, but the two guys don't seem the most confident chaps. I think they were trying to feel better by talking about the negative drama crap that's been following Dave for a while. Can you name anything good he's done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGhaleon Posted March 19 Author Report Share Posted March 19 Wait, is this the dude that Phil's hate base is defending? The one that has been saying he's homeless? https://whnt.com/news/decatur/madison-man-charged-with-trying-to-solicit-child-for-sex/ Same name and state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinHardcore Posted March 19 Report Share Posted March 19 (edited) 2 hours ago, thepissmeister said: Can you name anything good he's done? If you don't believe he's done anything good why are you watching? Edited March 19 by MinHardcore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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